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Hello orl

I have a 4,500 word Nisus Writer document with nice heads and stuff which saves as a 92 KB item.

I have a single graphic -- a gif which is 12 KB on the disk.

When I insert this 12 KB item into the 92 KB document, I get a 2.4 MB document !!!!! Say, what? The (miniature) pet elephant in the backyard weighs in lower than that!

Okay, so then I tried saving off the gif graphic as a .png. File size went up to 32 KB, but when I inserted that into NW, I got a 152 KB document. Now that's much better.

But what's going on with the gif?

Cheers, Geoff

Geoffrey Heard, Business Writer & Publisher

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Those are indeed some strange results- I can't readily explain why a 12K GIF makes a larger RTF file than the 32K PNG. Could you send us a (zipped) version of your 2.4MB RTF file for us to look at?

Thanks for sending along your file Geoff. It turns out the problem is that RTF doesn't natively support embedded GIF images in the way it does PNG images. So NWP was converting the GIF to a TIFF, whose size was almost 400K. That was then increased further due to RTF's inefficient image encoding method. In any case, I think we can do better here and save the original GIF data without converting it to a TIFF.

Excellent, Mark, since GIF format is a very efficient way of saving images with a low number of colours.

Cheers, Geoff

Geoffrey Heard, Business Writer & Publisher

"Type & Layout: Are you communicating or just making pretty shapes" -- the secrets of how type can help you to sell or influence, now at the new low price of $29.95. See the book at http://www.worsleypress.com or Amazon.

I'm Martin, not Mark, but you're welcome all the same

Even if we do fix this, it would still be most efficient in terms of file size if you used the PNG format for your inserted images. That is because even if NWP stores the original GIF data instead of a TIFF, we would still emit an alternative version of your GIF so other RTF readers could pick up the image. Essentially the file would contain both a GIF and PNG version of your image.

Besides PNG, RTF also natively supports JPEG and PICT images, so either of those would also not require redundant image data.

Martin,

Any chance any embedded TIFF will be compressed in LZH? Photoshop does the trick, but I cannot say how they manage to make these pics still visible in the Finder and other applicatons.

Paolo

Yes, I think TIFF does allow for some kind of internal lossless compression like LZH. I'm not sure if NWP makes use of it or not, but it may be worth looking into.