Deleted citations with Nisus Writer Pro and Bookends

[Chrow]

Today I finally bought Nisus Writer Pro after using the Demo for a while. I also installed Bookends. Now I have been sitting for hours trying to get them to work together.
Inserting the citations works fine (going to bookends cmd+y as well as using the NWP-Menu). Scanning the document does not:
1. If I do not add any Cited Pages, the scan works. But when I "unscan" the document, it doubles the amount of citations (inserts a new identical citation for everyone that is already there).
2. If I do add Cited Pages and scan the document, it deletes my citations but still creates a bibliography.
3. These problems happen variantly to all, none or some of my citations. There seems to be no reasoning behind it. But if a citation was affected once, it will be affected every time.
4. If a citation in a footnote is affected, the text in the document above, behind the corresponding number is reformatted to a Footnote-Reference Character Style. Pragraph-breaks do not stop this. The bibliography stays intact. Every time the document gets rescanned, the text is reformatted again and a new Character style called "Footnote Reference 1", "Footnote Reference 2"...is created.

I have tried the following things without any effect:
1. Using different bibliography- and citation-formats
2. Changing the encoding in NWP from "Automatic" to UTF-8
3. Changing the encoding of the output from Bookends to UTF-8
4. Using different output-formats (the way the non-scanned citations look like)

I hope someone here has any idea what to do.

Regards
Chrow

Edit: Another thing I have noticed: If I set the "Output text as..." in Bookends to anything other than "Styled Text" it switches back as sonn as I close the Preferences window. Might that have something to do with my problem?

Edit 2: Solved: Citations disappear if the cursor is in a citation while scanning (so just don't do that). Citations get doubled if the cited pages contain a § (use /§/ and you're fine).

[Þorvarður]

Hi Chrow,

1. If I do not add any Cited Pages, the scan works. But when I "unscan" the document, it doubles the amount of citations (inserts a new identical citation for everyone that is already there).

Hmm, strange. This doesn't happen by me. What format are you using in Bookends?

2. If I do add Cited Pages and scan the document, it deletes my citations but still creates a bibliography.

I can not confirm this. Are you sure you added the "@" character in front of the page range? A temporary citation should look like this:

{Chrow, 2004, #931@2-44}

Edit 2: Solved: Citations disappear if the cursor is in a citation while scanning (so just don't do that).

I can not confirm this either. Citations remain by me, no matter where the cursor is.

I guess the culprit may be your citation *format*. If you use the MLA format, for example, then page numbers will ALWAYS disappear when you scan the document, simply because they are not supposed to be there according to the MLA format.

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If you want a page range to appear, you must change the format, or better still, create a new format based on the old one, and change "a" to "a,p-". The "MLA breytt" which you can see on the screenshot is such an altered format.


To change the citation format you must
1. go to Biblio > Formats Manager… in Bookends
2. Click on the "Citation Options" tab at the top of the right window
3. Select the correct Type from the Type pop-up menu.
4. In the "Field Order" field you will see how your final citation will appear after scanning.

4. If a citation in a footnote is affected, the text in the document above, behind the corresponding number is reformatted to a Footnote-Reference Character Style. Pragraph-breaks do not stop this. The bibliography stays intact. Every time the document gets rescanned, the text is reformatted again and a new Character style called "Footnote Reference 1", "Footnote Reference 2"...is created.

I hate to say it, but this doesn't happen by me either. The citation in the footnote has the normal footnote style, as expected, and the text in the document above has the same styles as it had before the document was scanned. No extra styles were added or created.

Edit: Another thing I have noticed: If I set the "Output text as..." in Bookends to anything other than "Styled Text" it switches back as sonn as I close the Preferences window. Might that have something to do with my problem?

Yes, I can confirm that! At the moment I have no idea why Bookends behaves this way. The settings are confusing and not intuitive.

Citations get doubled if the cited pages contain a § (use /§/ and you're fine).

This does not happen by me. I can use § without any issue, and if I use /§/ then /§/ will appear in the final citation too, which isn't what we want.

If you need § then make sure the temporary citation looks like this:

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{Chrow, 2004, #931@§2-44}

My guess is that it's your Bookends settings that are causing the problem, or the application itself. What version are you using? The latest version is 12.5.

Try downloading a new version.

The only oddity I found when checking this now is, that text following the footnote reference in the main body disappears when unscanning is performed. One has to undo the action to get the text back.


Þorvarður